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we are talking with grover norquist. i want to give back to republicans look as if they are absolutely 151 voting against the legislation recommended to them by the speaker. that is without question -- the empirical evidence is complete and finite. that is a division of an order that no one could have contempled the republican party. so where do we go with the debt iling? >> sure. when we have the debt ceiling, the speaker and mitch mcconnell of the senate have both reiterated. if the president wants an increase in the debt ceiling of a trillion dollars as he's going to need every year of the second term, he's going to have to agree to a trillion dollars of ending cuts. this is exactly what happened in 2011 and of the establishment media said the world would end and we have to have tax increases instead of sending restraint. that's not what happened. obama caved, give us the spending restraints. the next fight is one, the republicans have more of an upper hand. lou: it will be interesting to watch and see how that plays
we are talking with grover norquist. i want to give back to republicans look as if they are absolutely 151 voting against the legislation recommended to them by the speaker. that is without question -- the empirical evidence is complete and finite. that is a division of an order that no one could have contempled the republican party. so where do we go with the debt iling? >> sure. when we have the debt ceiling, the speaker and mitch mcconnell of the senate have both reiterated. if the...
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i think grover norquist is trying to save face. grover norquist and others in the republican have had to give up something they said they would never give up. they're all sounding like compromiser all of a sudden. >> what what does this aabout the tea party then? >>. >> this was a decision by boehner to go around the right side of his party. >> there's certainly been a rebalancing after the election. >> thanks very much. ali will be back at 11:00 p.m. eastern. we're not going away. history unfolding on the floor of the house of representatives. much more after this. ♪ i wish my patients could see what i see. ♪ that over time, having high cholesterol and any of these risk factors can put them at increased risk for plaque buildup in their arteries. so it's even more important to lower their cholesterol, and that's why, when diet and exercise alone aren't enough, i prescribe crestor. in a clinical trial versus lipitor, crestor got more high-risk patients' bad cholesterol to a goal of under 100. [ female announcer ] crestor is not
i think grover norquist is trying to save face. grover norquist and others in the republican have had to give up something they said they would never give up. they're all sounding like compromiser all of a sudden. >> what what does this aabout the tea party then? >>. >> this was a decision by boehner to go around the right side of his party. >> there's certainly been a rebalancing after the election. >> thanks very much. ali will be back at 11:00 p.m. eastern....
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grover norquist is the man behind the pledge. he's here live. >>> and the latest in hillary clinton's condition. doctors have discovered a blood clot between her brain and skull. [ coughs ] [ baby crying ] ♪ [ male announcer ] robitussin® liquid formula soothes your throat on contact and the active ingredient relieves your cough. robitussin®. don't suffer the coughequences™. and the active ingredient relieves your cough. ...so as you can see, geico's customer satisfaction is at 97%. mmmm tasty. and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make these geico adverts. so we're taking you behind the scenes. this coffee cup, for example, is computer animated. it's not real. geico's customer satisfaction is quite real though. this computer-animated coffee tastes dreadful. geico. 15 minutes could save you 15 % or more on car insurance. someone get me a latte will ya, please? but since i've been on alli, am i on this one? nope. am i on this one? no, no, no, no, no. i am on this one. [ male announcer ] for every 2 pounds yo
grover norquist is the man behind the pledge. he's here live. >>> and the latest in hillary clinton's condition. doctors have discovered a blood clot between her brain and skull. [ coughs ] [ baby crying ] ♪ [ male announcer ] robitussin® liquid formula soothes your throat on contact and the active ingredient relieves your cough. robitussin®. don't suffer the coughequences™. and the active ingredient relieves your cough. ...so as you can see, geico's customer satisfaction is at...
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that person is grover norquist, the head of americans for tax reforms. it's got a pledge that mostly republicans members of congress signed to say they won't raise taxes under any circumstances. i spoke to nor i didn't see after friday's developments and asked him about taxes and his almost religious belief that tax increases, any tax increase, is bad for the economy. >> we've seen that whenever you've raised the capital gains tax, the top marginal tax rates, but also tax increases distract from what the country needs to do. we need to deal with our runaway government spending. the government is spending too much money. tax increases are not part of cutting the budget. tax increases are what politicians do instead of reform the government. as long as tax increases are on the table, the politicians never even think about reforming government. >> and i understand. you have been on this fight for a long time and you've been devoted to the whole idea of not seeing taxes increase anywhere. but what we're down to right now is largely a political battle over th
that person is grover norquist, the head of americans for tax reforms. it's got a pledge that mostly republicans members of congress signed to say they won't raise taxes under any circumstances. i spoke to nor i didn't see after friday's developments and asked him about taxes and his almost religious belief that tax increases, any tax increase, is bad for the economy. >> we've seen that whenever you've raised the capital gains tax, the top marginal tax rates, but also tax increases...
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does grover norquist have any credibility left at this point? is he a guy that can twist arms and threaten people and still be effective the way he has been in the past? >> no. let's be very clear what this little tour from grover norquist is about. this is a cry for relevance. that is the only thing we should be seeing in what he is saying. he is trying to prove that he is still relevant. remember, three weeks ago he was singing a dramatically different tune. now he's got even as andrea mitchell pointed out, some kind of alice in wonderland fantasy land about how voting to increase is really voting to decrease. it just doesn't hold water anymore. part of the power of grover norquist is his close relationship with karl rove. karl rove has also been crippled over the past year in the process. so the two of them are not so scary anymore. >> what i found absent from his conversation today was 39.6%. why wasn't he saying this is going to be a job killer? why wasn't he saying -- >> right. >> -- he can't raise taxes on the job creators? it's like he's
does grover norquist have any credibility left at this point? is he a guy that can twist arms and threaten people and still be effective the way he has been in the past? >> no. let's be very clear what this little tour from grover norquist is about. this is a cry for relevance. that is the only thing we should be seeing in what he is saying. he is trying to prove that he is still relevant. remember, three weeks ago he was singing a dramatically different tune. now he's got even as andrea...
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grover norquist joins us now. so you said that voting for this deal which increases taxes on house holds earning more than $450,000 annually would not violate your pledge that lawmakers made to their constituents. help our viewers understand that because lawmakers who signed that pledge they vow to oppose any increasing of tax rates for individuals for businesses. how does the fiscal cliff deal not violate that pledge? >> it's technically not a violation of the pledge. but i understand why a lot of republicans had said, look, even though what's happening is the tax cuts disappear and we're restoring them for most people, so we're not raising taxes, we're actually cutting taxes -- >> you're saying because the bush tax cuts have expired yesterday. >> yes. >> so basically they expired yesterday, so technically these are still tax cuts? >> correct. i understand, and i understand if you're a congressman or senator you've got to go out and convince not me that you've technically not violated the pledge, you have to conv
grover norquist joins us now. so you said that voting for this deal which increases taxes on house holds earning more than $450,000 annually would not violate your pledge that lawmakers made to their constituents. help our viewers understand that because lawmakers who signed that pledge they vow to oppose any increasing of tax rates for individuals for businesses. how does the fiscal cliff deal not violate that pledge? >> it's technically not a violation of the pledge. but i understand...
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and the fact of the matter is grover norquist, this just shows how little power grover has. grover is a friend and i like him. however remember with plan "b." he endorsed plan "b" and we shot it down. we had more than 50 republicans against that bill. grover norquist's power is really -- i mean it's just washington created. it's media created. >> you think it's over for grover? >> i'm not saying it's over for grover. he has a great pledge. he does great work. but to say that he's some sort of like magician behind the curtain is absolute fallacy. >> all right ron meyer, thanks for joining us this thorng. happy new year. >> you, too. >> some republicans we hear that the president has not been leading, he's been awol, where's the democratic leadership? he said president forced them into it and they were all celebrating in their offices last night. >> ron meyer sounds like a guy who actually got a lot of sleep last night. >> all right coming up on "early start," finally, closure, in the infamous case of pardon for civil rights activists 40 years in the making. you can watch us a
and the fact of the matter is grover norquist, this just shows how little power grover has. grover is a friend and i like him. however remember with plan "b." he endorsed plan "b" and we shot it down. we had more than 50 republicans against that bill. grover norquist's power is really -- i mean it's just washington created. it's media created. >> you think it's over for grover? >> i'm not saying it's over for grover. he has a great pledge. he does great work. but...
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the current distraction is grover norquist. now, i've known grover norquist for a long time. i think he's a fine person. he holds no elective office and, in fact, he wasn't elected president. so the president of the united states who is responsible for figuring out our problems who has not offered a single serious, cost-cutting measure, i mean, tell me what you think barack obama's going to go to the house and senate democrats and say i need a yes vote on this cost cutting. instead of dealing with the fact that the president of the united states is once again totally failing to provide leadership, the president has cleverly gotten us worried about whether grover norquist now defines the republican party. because as we all know, if we are not worthy of the news media's respect and love -- [laughter] we are a party that will disappear. i mean, just listen to the tone of the language when you watch morning joe or you watch, you know, even fox and friends are off on this whole. shtick. and grover did something very important. he came up with the idea of a no-tax increase pledge a
the current distraction is grover norquist. now, i've known grover norquist for a long time. i think he's a fine person. he holds no elective office and, in fact, he wasn't elected president. so the president of the united states who is responsible for figuring out our problems who has not offered a single serious, cost-cutting measure, i mean, tell me what you think barack obama's going to go to the house and senate democrats and say i need a yes vote on this cost cutting. instead of dealing...
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they say higher taxes are grover norquist fault. he has not come to the table or been willing to negotiate. he is the person who forced members of the house of representatives to say no more taxes. what do you say? >> first of all, as you know, from congress to the senate and people in his or her state -- this pledge is protecting american people through tax increases. we haven't had a republican republican vote for a tax increase in 22 years. that has really slowed down the growth of government from what it would've been otherwise. now, obama comes in and wants to spend more and raise taxes. republicans are saying no. we would have a problem if obama hadn't increased the budget by a trillion dollars more a year. gerri: let's face it, whether you're talking about stimulus spending, obamacare, that's3 going to go through the roof, the things that you're going to pay for all this with higher taxes is lunacy, to say the least. on that note, we're going to have to leave it there. thank you for coming, grover. we hope to see you in the n
they say higher taxes are grover norquist fault. he has not come to the table or been willing to negotiate. he is the person who forced members of the house of representatives to say no more taxes. what do you say? >> first of all, as you know, from congress to the senate and people in his or her state -- this pledge is protecting american people through tax increases. we haven't had a republican republican vote for a tax increase in 22 years. that has really slowed down the growth of...
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grover norquist johns us now. you said the voting for this deal, which increases taxes on households earning more than 450,000 annually would not violate your pledge that lawmakers make to their constituents. help our viewers understand that. lawmakers who sign that pledge promised to oppose any effort increase tax rates for individuals, for businesses. howe does the fiscal cliff deal not violate that pledge. >> it's technically not a violation of the pledge. but i understand why a lot of republicans have said, look, even though what's happening is the tax cuts disappear and we're restoring them for for most people, so we're not raising taxes, we're actually cutting taxes. >> you say because the bush tax cuts have expired yesterday. >> yes. >> so technically they are still tax cuts. >> correct. i understand and i understand if you're a congressman or senator, you've got to convince not me that you haven't violated the pledge, you have to convince your constituents. and they need to be able to say with a straight f
grover norquist johns us now. you said the voting for this deal, which increases taxes on households earning more than 450,000 annually would not violate your pledge that lawmakers make to their constituents. help our viewers understand that. lawmakers who sign that pledge promised to oppose any effort increase tax rates for individuals, for businesses. howe does the fiscal cliff deal not violate that pledge. >> it's technically not a violation of the pledge. but i understand why a lot of...
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a lot of people don't like grover norquist you've defended him. you come from the same place in a lot of things. here's where i take issue. he said increasing taxes avoids the conversation on having the spending discussion. i said i don't think that's causal. i think we can agree we're not having a robust-enough conversation on how to deal with spending in this country and how to make government more efficient. is it a fact by raising taxes we're just not going to have that discussion? >> yeah, i believe so. i believe every time you raise taxes it reduces the pressure to cut spending and i agree with grover on that i want to take issue on one thing you said to grover that i think is a little unfair. the vote we had last week, the job boehner plan b, which actually there was no vote -- >> you know, you've been saying, these guys are just following the instructions of grover nor quest. look, i actually think republicans made a mistake personally in not approving plan b. but you know, the people voted against it are the ones who said they were going
a lot of people don't like grover norquist you've defended him. you come from the same place in a lot of things. here's where i take issue. he said increasing taxes avoids the conversation on having the spending discussion. i said i don't think that's causal. i think we can agree we're not having a robust-enough conversation on how to deal with spending in this country and how to make government more efficient. is it a fact by raising taxes we're just not going to have that discussion? >>...
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number two, we've got grover norquist versus the gop. and here's what's fascinating. he's been a major player, a huge figure, and yet the push back has been growing. the tide has been swelling. take a look at this montage clip of republicans pushing back on grover norquist in the atr pledge. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other should be avoid greed. >> i never signed the pledge. >> he's becoming irrelevant. you can see it in his eyes. he knows the game is up. >> a pledge you sign 20 years ago, 18 years ago, is for that congress. >> i'm going to be the one to determine what a tax increase is. grover norquist is not going to determine what a tax increase is. >> message seems clear. don't fear the grover. that echoes throughout the upper echelons of the gop. >> boehner put tax revenues on the table and we heard nothing from norquist. this is a false drama, manufactured by people like you who can't stand norquist. >> people like me? just because the emperor's wearing no clothes and i th
number two, we've got grover norquist versus the gop. and here's what's fascinating. he's been a major player, a huge figure, and yet the push back has been growing. the tide has been swelling. take a look at this montage clip of republicans pushing back on grover norquist in the atr pledge. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other should be avoid greed. >> i never signed the pledge. >>...
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and grover norquist, is he backing down from his no-tax pledge? is he hedging? find out, ten o'clock this morning. go to our facebook page, tell us what you think about the deal that we've got, you're happy with it. if you are, we want to know why. we'll read some of your comments on the air. tell us why we want that in there. the markets, they've got their answer on the fiscal cliff, a deal has been done, the result is yes, it is a rally. we're going to see a big gain for the dow. it's going to be big. the opening bell for this brand new year is next. night ♪ >> surely you recognize that music, don't you? that's played on the bah zuki? why are we playing that? because america looks a whole lot like greece in morning. why? we've got a fiscal cliff deal. all it does is raise taxes. it doesn't cut spending, it doesn't do anything about the debt that we and europe and greece are facing. nothing at all. america's fundamental spending and massive debt has gone completely unaddressed. not there. that's why we're playing greek music as we start out this trading sessi
and grover norquist, is he backing down from his no-tax pledge? is he hedging? find out, ten o'clock this morning. go to our facebook page, tell us what you think about the deal that we've got, you're happy with it. if you are, we want to know why. we'll read some of your comments on the air. tell us why we want that in there. the markets, they've got their answer on the fiscal cliff, a deal has been done, the result is yes, it is a rally. we're going to see a big gain for the dow. it's going...
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eric: we have to leave it there, grover norquist, thank you. imagine every ship in port for massachusetts to texas shut down, nothing gets in or out. if they don't get their way, will everybody pay? this family used capital one venture miles to come home for the holidays. that's double miles you can actually use... sadly, their brother's white christmas just g "blacked out." [ brother ] but it's the family party! really jingles your bells, doesn't it? my gift to you! the capital one venture ca! for any flight, any time! that's double miles you can actually use! how illuminating. what's in your wallet? let me guess, am on the naughty list again? ho ho ho! >> forget the fiscal cliff. eric: forget the fiscal cliff, what about a container cliff and what that might do to the economy. a a nasty standoff between union workers and the companies could cripple the nation. unless two groups reach a deal, theyun planted strike down plano strike this weekend.if if the strike happened, some reports estimate for a billion dollars per day. >> there's no questi
eric: we have to leave it there, grover norquist, thank you. imagine every ship in port for massachusetts to texas shut down, nothing gets in or out. if they don't get their way, will everybody pay? this family used capital one venture miles to come home for the holidays. that's double miles you can actually use... sadly, their brother's white christmas just g "blacked out." [ brother ] but it's the family party! really jingles your bells, doesn't it? my gift to you! the capital one...
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this individual grover norquist who has sponsored this pledge i'm going to read a tweet from grover norquist that we've just seen here. he said the bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight last night. every republican voting for the senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his or her pledge. and richard we talked about this in the -- >> it just passed, just passed. no more time remaining, it now has passed the house with the senate amendment. >> okay and now we're heading well over, just caution, let's wait until the gavel comes down but strange things can happen. right, 220 -- it is heading north. appears that the deal is done. we'll move on to the next fight here. what i said was, richard, you and i, a lot of us talked over the course of the last several weeks, going over the cliff would make it more feasible for republicans to vote. because after all, after midnight they were not voting to raise taxes, they're voting to cut taxes. and after not violating the pledge of grover norquist and not violating their core believes and their core principles they did have some problems with the lack of spend
this individual grover norquist who has sponsored this pledge i'm going to read a tweet from grover norquist that we've just seen here. he said the bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight last night. every republican voting for the senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his or her pledge. and richard we talked about this in the -- >> it just passed, just passed. no more time remaining, it now has passed the house with the senate amendment. >> okay and now we're heading well over, just...
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grover norquist, republican lobbiest grover norquist even said the senate deal was an okay deal. he would vote for it if he were a senator, he said because republicans should still be part of it because -- this is a spin on his part because 84% of the bush tax cuts were still in place. and yet those tea party house reasoning wouldn't go along with grover norquist. we catholics say there is a problem when you are holier than the pope. well, that's the case with these house republicans. i don't know. congress is so broken i don't know how we can fix it other than in 2014 target every one of these tea party republicans with a even a responsible republican and throw out this congress. their goal is to destroy this country. arthur delaney will join us when we come back. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." ♪ every day presents another exciting issue. from financial regulation, iran getting a nuclear bomb, civil war in syria, fraud on wall street, destruction of medicare and medicaid. there are real issues here. having been a governor, i know that trade-offs are tough. things
grover norquist, republican lobbiest grover norquist even said the senate deal was an okay deal. he would vote for it if he were a senator, he said because republicans should still be part of it because -- this is a spin on his part because 84% of the bush tax cuts were still in place. and yet those tea party house reasoning wouldn't go along with grover norquist. we catholics say there is a problem when you are holier than the pope. well, that's the case with these house republicans. i don't...
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[applause] grover norquist chemo for about 16 hours. -- came out for about 16 hours. [laughter] definitely carbon taxes is bubbling up. rush right. and from a surprising source. people on the conservative side of the political spectrum, ultimately, i should not be a bar -- a partisan political issue. the day the sandy hit, i was with many people. >> of is just about to touch on that. fires burned homes with their democrats for republicans. the climate system does not care. hopefully, what we can do as scientists, is checked the risks and then the location details. but that is a whole different ball game. >> my name is carol stone. do you think the mayan calendar this year will have any effect? and what is the effect of the population in the world -- a billion on this issue of carbon -- >> violation? >> that -- there is a number of factors. when you look at local government in emissions. if there are more people on the planet burning carbon for energy, we will be adding more carbon to the atmosphere. on the other hand, people who are living in a western-style exist the
[applause] grover norquist chemo for about 16 hours. -- came out for about 16 hours. [laughter] definitely carbon taxes is bubbling up. rush right. and from a surprising source. people on the conservative side of the political spectrum, ultimately, i should not be a bar -- a partisan political issue. the day the sandy hit, i was with many people. >> of is just about to touch on that. fires burned homes with their democrats for republicans. the climate system does not care. hopefully, what...
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they cannot cross over the threshold that has been built by grover norquist. >> grover norquist joins us now exclusively here on cnbc. grover, we just heard you are the target of those comments, but did harry reid get it wrong, because i thought that your organization actually gave its blessing to boehner's plan "b." >> reid has it wrong on a number of levels. the first, of course, is that the pledge that many congressmen and senators have made to oppose tax increases is made to the people of their state, not to me. in fact, harry reid now has the republican senator joining him from nevada who won because he made that commitment. he took the pledge, and the democrat that harry reid supported attacked him for taking the pledge, and the people of nevada said we want a senator who will stand with us against harry reid's tax increases, so -- and, of course, the issue that came up with plan "b" which was mr. boehner's recommendation that we pass something out of the house which would stop all the tax increases on anyone who earned less than $1 million permanently, was something that didn't
they cannot cross over the threshold that has been built by grover norquist. >> grover norquist joins us now exclusively here on cnbc. grover, we just heard you are the target of those comments, but did harry reid get it wrong, because i thought that your organization actually gave its blessing to boehner's plan "b." >> reid has it wrong on a number of levels. the first, of course, is that the pledge that many congressmen and senators have made to oppose tax increases is...
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., grover norquist tried to keep his infamous pledge from going obsolete, tweeting "the bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight last night. every "r" voting for senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his or her pledge." sorry, grover, the impact of the bill is absolutely a tax hike. supporting it was not unanimous, all but five republicans and three democrats in the senate voted for it, but it was much closer in the house. 151 republicans, more than half of the gop members, voted no, including majority leader eric cantor and republican whip kevin mccarthy. at the end of the day, enough lawmakers across the aisle agreed to the deal, but at a cost of extremely strained relationships. politico reports on an encounter between speaker boehner and harry reid in the white house lobby. go [ bleep ] yourself, boehner sniped, as he pointed his finger at reid, according to multiple sources present. speaker boehner refused to bring forward a bill funding emergency aid for victims of superstorm sandy. this is how republican peter king responded this morning. >> john boehner has been personally helpful
., grover norquist tried to keep his infamous pledge from going obsolete, tweeting "the bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight last night. every "r" voting for senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his or her pledge." sorry, grover, the impact of the bill is absolutely a tax hike. supporting it was not unanimous, all but five republicans and three democrats in the senate voted for it, but it was much closer in the house. 151 republicans, more than half of the gop members, voted...
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we talked to steven moore, grover norquist, pat toomey. some just think taxes should never go up on people. others think if you increase taxes it will hurt the economy. that may actually have some truth to it. but there's a tone deafness out there that has now superseded all of this, congressman, and it is -- we just heard mitch mcconnell, i don't know why people say things like this, but they make people wonder about legislators saying on the floor of the senate, i worked all day saturday to get this thing done. there's been -- i can't say this enough times. you have had 516 days to get this done and you have had 12 years to deal with the bush era tax cuts. what's the problem? >> you know, ali, i can't agree with you more. we actually passed a budget in the house back in the springtime, passed it to the senate. the senate was unable to pass a budget at all. they actually voted down the president's budget 97-0. so while the democrats are talking so much about the president's leadership, they did not support him back in the spring. in augus
we talked to steven moore, grover norquist, pat toomey. some just think taxes should never go up on people. others think if you increase taxes it will hurt the economy. that may actually have some truth to it. but there's a tone deafness out there that has now superseded all of this, congressman, and it is -- we just heard mitch mcconnell, i don't know why people say things like this, but they make people wonder about legislators saying on the floor of the senate, i worked all day saturday to...
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i have spoken to grover norquist and wolf has spoken to grover norquist more than we have spoken to our families in the last few days. he's making an interesting philosophical point. if we let these guys go ahead with some kind of tax increase on people above $450,000, we can then move the discussion to spending. so far, the spending is a much more complicated part of the deal. it's a much harder deal to make than to arrive at what percentage to charge and at what threshold. the republicans are hoping that this debate that goes on for two months and longer is now going to go to spending. is that a good bet? >> mark that on your fiscal calendar. when jessica said to us the deal with the sequester, which has been the big open question. remember house republicans' questioning of this. when that gets moved to february, we're doing this all over again. maybe there's a chance to get our deficit and debt in line. the downside, we're going to be playing with fire again walking right up by the edge of the cliff. >> the tax rate and how much you tax, that was actually never really a grand bargain
i have spoken to grover norquist and wolf has spoken to grover norquist more than we have spoken to our families in the last few days. he's making an interesting philosophical point. if we let these guys go ahead with some kind of tax increase on people above $450,000, we can then move the discussion to spending. so far, the spending is a much more complicated part of the deal. it's a much harder deal to make than to arrive at what percentage to charge and at what threshold. the republicans are...
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absolutely. >> and grover norquist seems to have approved this deal. approved plan b which a lot of republicans didn't support. he couldn't get it to a floor vote. said this is okay. guys like and you many like you across the country are in districts that are not competitive in the general election, they are competitive in the primary, so you have to tack to the side of your party. and that means that it makes it harder for guys like you to compromi compromise, you are keeping an open mind. given your general history, you wouldn't like this deal? >> you stated it perfectly. grover gorgeous kwis well respected. did i sign that pledge in 2002, and that was not just a pledge to grover norquist, u.s. a pledge to the constituents who voted for me over the other two guys, pretty good candidates as well. grover could say theoretically we've gone over the cliff. everyone's taxes have gone up, at least for 12 hours, and a vote would be a vote to lower taxes for everybody under $400,000, and i'm just not sure the people in the 11th of georgia will see it that wa
absolutely. >> and grover norquist seems to have approved this deal. approved plan b which a lot of republicans didn't support. he couldn't get it to a floor vote. said this is okay. guys like and you many like you across the country are in districts that are not competitive in the general election, they are competitive in the primary, so you have to tack to the side of your party. and that means that it makes it harder for guys like you to compromi compromise, you are keeping an open...
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grover norquist with the president. robert reich against the president. >> i was listening to that interview closely. we're going to have him on later again. that was quite remarkable. i think that's what you're seeing playing out here. everything doesn't fit neatly into the corners here. there are republicans who think that threshold above which people will pay extra tax is too high, doesn't bring enough revenue in, and grover norquist, i was very surprised when he told you he thinks this deal, he hasn't read it, meets the smell test and he would give approval for republicans to vote for it. >> republicans in the house tomorrow as well. stand by for a moment. the u.s. draws closer and closer to that fiscal cliff. the defense department is facing billions in budget cuts. how a furlough could affect civilian employees in the u.s. and around the world. oh, hey mike. what are you up to? oh, just diagramming this accident with my state farm pocket agent app. you can also get a quote and pay your premium with this thing. i t
grover norquist with the president. robert reich against the president. >> i was listening to that interview closely. we're going to have him on later again. that was quite remarkable. i think that's what you're seeing playing out here. everything doesn't fit neatly into the corners here. there are republicans who think that threshold above which people will pay extra tax is too high, doesn't bring enough revenue in, and grover norquist, i was very surprised when he told you he thinks...
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the tax man is here, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform, joining us now. thank you very much. happy new year. >> happy new year. >> why were you in favor of this? it's the first tax increase republicans have voted for in 20 years. >> no republican voted for a tax increase. what happened is obama had the demaclese over the american people, unless the house senate and president voted on something. >> the bush tax cuts had set to expire. >> they were set to expire two years ago and obama extended them for two years without change for everybody, for himself and everyone else. then he said he was worried about the economy and he didn't want to kill jobs. now that his job was safely protected, he's less understood what happened to the economy, the tax increases that he insisted on, all the republicans in the house and the senate who voted more than once to extend the bush tax cuts for everybody permanently, so the republicans are quite clear. they want the tax cuts extended for everyone. the president insisted on taking them away from some people. that will hurt
the tax man is here, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform, joining us now. thank you very much. happy new year. >> happy new year. >> why were you in favor of this? it's the first tax increase republicans have voted for in 20 years. >> no republican voted for a tax increase. what happened is obama had the demaclese over the american people, unless the house senate and president voted on something. >> the bush tax cuts had set to expire. >> they...
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and i was going to say, the other group -- oh, the -- when i gave a talk at grover norquist's wednesday meeting -- >> oh, that must have been interesting. >> one of the -- this was at the -- i gave two. there was first a meeting with him and some of the republican leaders which was open, and then there was one which was closed and i can't talk about that one but i'm sure it was at the first one. that one -- [laughter] -- one of them said, that's income redistribution. well, yeah, it is. the people who do a good job will get some of the money from somebody else. and -- but that's what if we don't do something like that. that's -- you see, we would reach -- if we did that, we would reach tipping points where alternatives would be cheaper than -- say, coal, and then you would quickly phase out the fossil fuel. so you then leave it in the ground and that's what we have to do. >> british columbia is doing something like this so that maybe there's some different details, but british columbia replaced one kind of tax, it was a payroll or corporate tax -- >> yeah. >> and imposed the carbon tax.
and i was going to say, the other group -- oh, the -- when i gave a talk at grover norquist's wednesday meeting -- >> oh, that must have been interesting. >> one of the -- this was at the -- i gave two. there was first a meeting with him and some of the republican leaders which was open, and then there was one which was closed and i can't talk about that one but i'm sure it was at the first one. that one -- [laughter] -- one of them said, that's income redistribution. well, yeah, it...
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they cannot cross over theer threshold that has been built by grover norquist. people who are rich, who make a lot of money, they're not opposing the raising of taxes on them. i the only people in america who don't think taxes should be raised on the rich are the republicans who work in this building. so anytime the speaker and thee republican leader come to the president and say we've got a deal for you, the president's door's always open, and mine is too. >> mr. president -- >> the republican leader. >> i would only add the majority leader's given you his view ofwf the last two years. i've certainly given you my take on it. the american people have spokene and they basically voted for the status quo. the president got reelected, the senate's still in democratic sti hands, and the house is still is republican hands. r the more than people haveep spoken. s the american people have spoken. today obviously expect us to come together and to produce a result. as i indicated, the president id called me and probably called po others last night.rs my impression is he w
they cannot cross over theer threshold that has been built by grover norquist. people who are rich, who make a lot of money, they're not opposing the raising of taxes on them. i the only people in america who don't think taxes should be raised on the rich are the republicans who work in this building. so anytime the speaker and thee republican leader come to the president and say we've got a deal for you, the president's door's always open, and mine is too. >> mr. president -- >>...
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they have stuck with their grover norquist position they're not going it raise taxes on anybody. when the whole plan "b" thing went up, they passed some spending stuff barely and when we were supposed to deal with the tax stuff at a million they couldn't even bring it up for a vote. i have no idea what mitch mcconnell is talking about. it seems to be nothing more than political posturing, but i want to say nobody is trying to put this on john boehner. it's on boehner. he's the speaker, and so it's not of a political bringsmanship or gamesmanship. it's the fact. >> it seems the strategy here, boehner obviously kind of said and i think he's been called out for this, said it's up to the president and the senate. i give up, we're leaving town. i guess now they're going to come back sunday, as if that's going to create some sense of urgency. what strikes me is the message that continues to come forward is the american people are going to -- believe that the president and democrats are showing real leadership and they will blame the republicans if this deal goes south, and yet when you
they have stuck with their grover norquist position they're not going it raise taxes on anybody. when the whole plan "b" thing went up, they passed some spending stuff barely and when we were supposed to deal with the tax stuff at a million they couldn't even bring it up for a vote. i have no idea what mitch mcconnell is talking about. it seems to be nothing more than political posturing, but i want to say nobody is trying to put this on john boehner. it's on boehner. he's the...
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grover norquist. we had an election and boehner was elected speaker now lame duck obama should get over it. >> okay, a boehner hasn't been -- boehner hasn't been elected to anything yet because there's going to be a fight between him and eric cantor coming up. >> stephanie: crazy cowboy, eric eric cantor. >> okay corral. and it won't be okay for you. it will be super okay for me because i moisturize. >> stephanie: oh, boehner boehner. ♪ ♪ i am just an orange boy ♪ ♪ i have squandered my influence for a pocketful of tax cuts for the filthy rich ♪ ♪ my eyes get wet still a man cries when he thinks about which fabric is the best ♪ ♪ on the house floor stands the boehner and he's whining constantly ♪ ♪ and the fiscal cliff reminds him of every vote that let him down ♪ ♪ as he cried out in his anger and his shame ♪ ♪ i'm weeping i am weeping but he still remains ♪ ♪ crying eyes ♪ ♪ crying eyes ♪ >> yea! rocky mountain mike. >> stephanie: rocky mountain mike never on va
grover norquist. we had an election and boehner was elected speaker now lame duck obama should get over it. >> okay, a boehner hasn't been -- boehner hasn't been elected to anything yet because there's going to be a fight between him and eric cantor coming up. >> stephanie: crazy cowboy, eric eric cantor. >> okay corral. and it won't be okay for you. it will be super okay for me because i moisturize. >> stephanie: oh, boehner boehner. ♪ ♪ i am just an orange boy ♪...
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. >> i want to hear from grover norquist because this logic is fantastic. passed by congress that raises taxes for the higher earners, extends tax cuts for many americans. the president reviewed a copy of the bill while vacationing in hawaii before directing it to be signed via auto pen. that's the signature machine that the presidents sometimes use while away from washington, far from a bipartisan public signing ceremony. look at this. >> it was special. he wanted to capture it. it was special. >> back at the capitol -- >> in wisconsin they were thinking about signing civil rights legislation with his hands, then decided use the auto pen. looks better for the history books. >> on the jetsons. >> there are several major issues -- >> rosie, by the way. >> -- awaiting the president's return including the impending fight over the debt ceiling. >> it's going to be ugly. >> meanwhile, grover norquist sat down with andrea mitchell yesterday where he insisted that republicans who backed the fiscal cliff deal did not, in fact, vote to increase taxes. >> no republic
. >> i want to hear from grover norquist because this logic is fantastic. passed by congress that raises taxes for the higher earners, extends tax cuts for many americans. the president reviewed a copy of the bill while vacationing in hawaii before directing it to be signed via auto pen. that's the signature machine that the presidents sometimes use while away from washington, far from a bipartisan public signing ceremony. look at this. >> it was special. he wanted to capture it. it...
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. >> the debate in washington continues over the fallout from the deal, grover norquist sat down with andrea mitchell yesterday on the "andrea mitchell reports" and insisted that republicans who back the fiscal cliff deal did not vote to raise taxes. >> no republican voted for a tax increase. what happened was obama had this sort of ax over the heads of the american people with a $5 trillion tax increase over the next decade. the republicans are clear. they want the tax cuts extended for everyone. the president is not taking them away from some people. that will hurt the economy. he got his tax increase. but he can't claim republican fingerprints on his tax increase. >> wait a second. i mean we're not living in the alice in wonder land world here. there is a tax increase for wealthier americans. it's literally a tax increase. >> well -- rates are up. >> what happened yesterday was that all the tax rates went up and then the republicans and congress together took them down for some people, not for everybody. >> so d.c. is still mixed on the new law but wall street seems to love it. the
. >> the debate in washington continues over the fallout from the deal, grover norquist sat down with andrea mitchell yesterday on the "andrea mitchell reports" and insisted that republicans who back the fiscal cliff deal did not vote to raise taxes. >> no republican voted for a tax increase. what happened was obama had this sort of ax over the heads of the american people with a $5 trillion tax increase over the next decade. the republicans are clear. they want the tax...
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that was a pledge to grover norquist or by grover norquist's organization. he's turned his back on the pledge, peddled by grover norquist and his powerful lobby group, americans for tax reform. latourette says all options need to be on the table to avert a fiscal cliff. he joins us now. congressman latourette it looks like republicans are ready to raise rates on individuals making 400,000 aids ye$400,000 . is that the kind of compromise you had expected to take place? >> no, this is disgusting, quite frankly. and dysfunctional. latourette, by the way, in french, means dysfunctional. i'm used to it. i'll tell you that we find ourselves here after the 73 months that you talked about, and this is as good as it is going to get, it is really ridiculous and everybody here should be hanging their head in shame. >> we feel the same way. we got this fiscal cliff mess as a result of being up against the government's borrowing limit, the debt ceiling in august of 2011. we are expected to hit that debt limit again today. the treasury department says it can keep on payin
that was a pledge to grover norquist or by grover norquist's organization. he's turned his back on the pledge, peddled by grover norquist and his powerful lobby group, americans for tax reform. latourette says all options need to be on the table to avert a fiscal cliff. he joins us now. congressman latourette it looks like republicans are ready to raise rates on individuals making 400,000 aids ye$400,000 . is that the kind of compromise you had expected to take place? >> no, this is...
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watch grover norquist's people go to work here. let's listen. >> i'm going to ask a question to everybody on the stage. say you had a deal, a real spending cuts deal. 10-1, as byron said. spending cuts to tax increases. speaker, you're already shaking your head. but who, on this stage, would walk away from that deal? when you raise your hand if you just feel so strongly about not raising taxes, you'd walk away on the 10 to 1 deal. >> joining me right now to review that list of greatness, former rnc chairman michael steele who never had a year like this. seriously, both msnbc contributors. that was a scene where you come from the roots of the republican party, sir. was that a good day or a bad day for the republicans when they went out there like lock step? >> i think it was a bad day. it was interesting that later on huntsman said, you know, i probably should have raised my hand and said i would have taken the 10 to 1 deal. i think he recognized after the fact that that was a definitive moment where he could have carved out a new s
watch grover norquist's people go to work here. let's listen. >> i'm going to ask a question to everybody on the stage. say you had a deal, a real spending cuts deal. 10-1, as byron said. spending cuts to tax increases. speaker, you're already shaking your head. but who, on this stage, would walk away from that deal? when you raise your hand if you just feel so strongly about not raising taxes, you'd walk away on the 10 to 1 deal. >> joining me right now to review that list of...
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and the pledge is slowly, not completely -- >> grover norquist. >> grover norquist anti-tax pledge which is no way to run a business, no way to run a government. revenues are important if you understand a balance sheet. that thing has haunted us for a long time. >> krystal ball, the biggest loser. >> mine has helped in part helped rupert murdoch which is karl rove. many people thought even if they didn't like him, he was very smart. he exposed himself to not be very smart on election night on the other network. >> we only have two people left who might please me by choosing donald trump. let's see what happens. your biggest loser of 2012? >> donald trump. it's not, it's not. >> correct! you get the ipad. >> i hate to disappoint you. it's sheldon adelson. >> yes. >> and the house lost big. >> that was great. >> steve kornacki, the biggest. >> i want an ipad, but my biggest loser is the name that was for generations the gold standard in public opinion polling. gallup. and for all of october right up to election day said romney has an advantage and is going to win this race. they had about
and the pledge is slowly, not completely -- >> grover norquist. >> grover norquist anti-tax pledge which is no way to run a business, no way to run a government. revenues are important if you understand a balance sheet. that thing has haunted us for a long time. >> krystal ball, the biggest loser. >> mine has helped in part helped rupert murdoch which is karl rove. many people thought even if they didn't like him, he was very smart. he exposed himself to not be very...
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a lot of members, too, signed the no tax pledge that many of you know grover norquist pushed around and used as a threat. you better sign the no tax pledge. my radio show launched yesterday and i had grover on because he said it was a win for republicans. though it was a tax increase it wasn't violation of the pledge. listen. >> la of the of these guys signed your penal. how did you lose the guys? they broke your pledge? >> that is what the president is trying to get them to say to vote for tax increase in future. >> it's crystal clear now that republicans can't all be trusted not to raise taxes. i don't see how you tell a guy that his taxes around higher. >> you can't. go to andrea tantaros at twitter. >> bob: fox news alert. november unemployment figure, revised 215. obama recovery is working. one more thing, congratulate speaker john boehner because i think he did show courage in this. republicans are jumping on the guy. tough job to be a speaker. i showed him to be a leader. i give him credit. that will probably hurt him. >> eric: that was two one more things. we usually don't do th
a lot of members, too, signed the no tax pledge that many of you know grover norquist pushed around and used as a threat. you better sign the no tax pledge. my radio show launched yesterday and i had grover on because he said it was a win for republicans. though it was a tax increase it wasn't violation of the pledge. listen. >> la of the of these guys signed your penal. how did you lose the guys? they broke your pledge? >> that is what the president is trying to get them to say to...
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i don't care what grover norquist says no they didn't vote for a race. yes, they did. >> for the first time since 1990 republicans have agreed to raise taxes. so yes that is a huge deal. but are we going to be looking at democrats having to make major cuts. >> stephanie: right. yep. >> and the question people have to ask is what is more important, raising taxes on the wealthy? or cutting government spending? well, i think we're going to end up having both and my point is -- i think president obama could have gotten -- raising taxes on the wealthy. i think that's a pretty compelling argument and he could have gotten that without having to agree to cutting government spending. >> stephanie: uh-huh. david the hurricane sandy relief stuff, what i think is striking is that that laid bare as a lot of reasoning pointed out, that the republicans are in complete disarray, and it is things that didn't used to be a partisan issue, right? >> yeah, i think that's right. and the republican does not only have a leadership dysfunction, there are some that say the [ inau
i don't care what grover norquist says no they didn't vote for a race. yes, they did. >> for the first time since 1990 republicans have agreed to raise taxes. so yes that is a huge deal. but are we going to be looking at democrats having to make major cuts. >> stephanie: right. yep. >> and the question people have to ask is what is more important, raising taxes on the wealthy? or cutting government spending? well, i think we're going to end up having both and my point is -- i...
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how about if on the democratic side grover norquist had said never cut any spending? i'm going to sign a bill that says never cut and spending. grover norquist, here's a great example, he does not even believe in economic case multipliers. host: gary says -- guest: what's interesting about the last election cycles is we had under president bush and the end, democrats seized control of congress in big numbers. and we had the big democratic sweep with the white house in 2008. 2010, republicans came sweeping back. we've had a pendulum swing, very contractive time period. that's one of the factors. we have seen both sides really dug in because they don't know where the pendulum will swing in the next direction. host: from one of our viewers -- on facebook -- guest: that's right. one of the points she raises is it's easy to look and collectors and say we will just drop 10% of this program and 20% off that program. but when you get down to the individual programs, we're talking state and local police departments, fire departments, teachers' pay, all sorts of programs that h
how about if on the democratic side grover norquist had said never cut any spending? i'm going to sign a bill that says never cut and spending. grover norquist, here's a great example, he does not even believe in economic case multipliers. host: gary says -- guest: what's interesting about the last election cycles is we had under president bush and the end, democrats seized control of congress in big numbers. and we had the big democratic sweep with the white house in 2008. 2010, republicans...
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i actually agree with grover norquist on this. that particular leverage is gone and is not going to be reemerging any time soon. and i think also there are a lot more votes for that deal if we needed them. once you had 170 democrats, why would you need a huge number of republicans? there were plenty of people saying if you need me, i'll be there. frankly, if you have don't, i won't. and that's fair enough. both sides do that on a tough vote. so i think the speaker remains very strong in the conference, i think you'll see that today. and honestly we're now going to fight going forward on terrain that unifies republicans that, is cutting spending and reforming entitlements as opposed to things that divide us. >> more than a few pundits have argued on both sides of the aisle that they agree with you that the speaker is very strong within his conference and yet the fact remains this was the least effective congress that we've seen since record were kept. so what good does it do if you're okay within your conference but you're not gett
i actually agree with grover norquist on this. that particular leverage is gone and is not going to be reemerging any time soon. and i think also there are a lot more votes for that deal if we needed them. once you had 170 democrats, why would you need a huge number of republicans? there were plenty of people saying if you need me, i'll be there. frankly, if you have don't, i won't. and that's fair enough. both sides do that on a tough vote. so i think the speaker remains very strong in the...
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grover norquist gave his blessing to the deal and justified it by saying republicans didn't technically raise taxes since the bush tax cuts expired on january 1st. he was on with our andrea mitchell today. look at what he had to say. >> no republican voted for tax increase. what happened was obama had the damocles over the people with the tax increase over the next decade that would happen automatically. the republicans are quite clear. they want the tax cuts extended for everyone. the president insisted on taking them away from some people. that'll hurt the economy. he got his tax increase, but he can't claim republican fingerprints on his tax increase. >> well, wait a second. i mean, we're not living in the alice in wonderland world here. there is a tax increase for wealthier americans. it's literally a tax increase. >> well, first of all -- >> rates are up. >> what happened yesterday was all the tax rates went up and then the republicans and congress together took them down for some people, not for everybody. >> steven, does that pass the smell test? if i were to run against a republ
grover norquist gave his blessing to the deal and justified it by saying republicans didn't technically raise taxes since the bush tax cuts expired on january 1st. he was on with our andrea mitchell today. look at what he had to say. >> no republican voted for tax increase. what happened was obama had the damocles over the people with the tax increase over the next decade that would happen automatically. the republicans are quite clear. they want the tax cuts extended for everyone. the...
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we have grover norquist who said republicans did not violate his pledge and he stood up for those who voted again. let's take a listen. >> it's 157 voted against the deal. were they against cutting taxes for almost everybody? no. they wanted to cut taxes for everybody. they are mad there was no spending restraint and taxes went up. >> while vote are for the measure, they voted against the anti-tax orthodox for the first time in decades. did this deepen the party's ideological divide? >> there is clearly a civil war going on in the republican party in terms of personalities and you saw between boehner and kantor and others. in terms of the policies. they have not come to terms with the fact that you are talking about solving the big problems and the debt and the deficits and you have to have revenue on the table. this is the dilemma they face. until they get that under control, you are continuing to see this divide to define who they are. >> i mentioned that we saw this flit and speaker boehner who voted in favor of the bill. it was brave for the speaker to vote on the bill? in the 15
we have grover norquist who said republicans did not violate his pledge and he stood up for those who voted again. let's take a listen. >> it's 157 voted against the deal. were they against cutting taxes for almost everybody? no. they wanted to cut taxes for everybody. they are mad there was no spending restraint and taxes went up. >> while vote are for the measure, they voted against the anti-tax orthodox for the first time in decades. did this deepen the party's ideological...
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norquist. you signed the pledge not to sign taxes. >> i did. >> he supported speaker boehner's plan "b" and said it wouldn't violate his pledge. here's what he told us earlier this week. listen. >> i think in fact, plan "b" is a good step to protecting tax cuts for everybody. >> if you look at current law, current law says as we all know, part of the fiscal cliff '01, '03 tax relief measures will expire on january 1st. at this point, everybody's taxes go up. we all know that. we all want to forestall that. >> how high are you willing to go? if not a million, than what? >> well, let's bear in mind that every new tax burden we apply has consequences for the real economy and for growth, so the very west thing we could do, the very best thing we could do is we're not increasing taxes -- are you don't want to agree to that? >> exactly. i would imagine we're going to work our way and make the threshold. if that's where people have to go, we'll make the threshold as high as we can. because the more re
norquist. you signed the pledge not to sign taxes. >> i did. >> he supported speaker boehner's plan "b" and said it wouldn't violate his pledge. here's what he told us earlier this week. listen. >> i think in fact, plan "b" is a good step to protecting tax cuts for everybody. >> if you look at current law, current law says as we all know, part of the fiscal cliff '01, '03 tax relief measures will expire on january 1st. at this point, everybody's taxes...
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norquist and everybody's crying mostly because the lose in the sixty six thunderbird to the grand canyon but the republicans even though they lost the election even though they lost seats in the house and lost seats in the senate they still refused to negotiate and they're being held hostage by their far right wing and that hasn't changed and it might might change next year but i don't i don't think so and loose with what about the polarization let's say in france right now after the election because the sitting president is not very popular right now. it's complicated because you you get a kind of windshield wiper effect in france you get one we can which the president sporty and the president himself are doing extremely badly for instance you have the steel works. with mr lakshmi mittal the fact that basically the president and the prime minister the minister for industry all had different theories about what to do and how to try and keep jobs into the country and then the following week all the following months you get a complete fight between the two would be leaders of the you posit
norquist and everybody's crying mostly because the lose in the sixty six thunderbird to the grand canyon but the republicans even though they lost the election even though they lost seats in the house and lost seats in the senate they still refused to negotiate and they're being held hostage by their far right wing and that hasn't changed and it might might change next year but i don't i don't think so and loose with what about the polarization let's say in france right now after the election...
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harry reid is still blaming grover norquist. send him a memo that norquist took himself out of the discussion a week ago when he backed the house republican plan "b." it's like the old stale talking points. for me, the big picture if you take a step back from this, the big picture story here is one of misplaced outrage. media folks with the commentators on all sides complaining there is a lack of compromise. we need comedy in washington. everybody should come together as starbucks barristas want. the real outrage is what started as an effort to trim the size and scope of government, the push tax cuts a decade ago or whether it was the debate over the debt ceiling, just over a year ago, is going to likely end up at asen effort to expand the size and scope of government. that is something that can only happen in washington. you have people that come together to limit government and bunch of contortions and missed opportunities and bad negotiating, it becomes a de facto expansion of government. >> charles? >> well, you know, there
harry reid is still blaming grover norquist. send him a memo that norquist took himself out of the discussion a week ago when he backed the house republican plan "b." it's like the old stale talking points. for me, the big picture if you take a step back from this, the big picture story here is one of misplaced outrage. media folks with the commentators on all sides complaining there is a lack of compromise. we need comedy in washington. everybody should come together as starbucks...